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		<title>By: Christopher Kindig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Kindig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 01:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting.

Algae can be made into a variety of biofuels, including biodiesel, ethanol, algae, and biogas. To add to your analysis, here are some pros and cons to algae as fuel:

PROS:
Algae grows in all directions
Single celled with no superstructure required for algae (roots, trunks, leaves)
Growth speed: 140 days for land crops; algae grows year round &amp; mature in just 1 or 2 days
Algae weathers extreme conditions well, so resistant to drought, wind, rain, and insects
Grow 30-100 x more oil per acre than corn or soybeans
No sulfur, non toxic, biodegradable
Can mix with existing fuels in existing vehicles
Can also produce fuel, bioplastics, medicine, nutrition, animal feed, fertilizer, and more
Can absorb CO2 and other pollutants from coal power plants, cement manufacturing, fossil fuel extraction and refining, fermentation based industries, ethanol production, etc

CONS:

Scale - difficulty replicating lab results into larger volume of production

Growing - using open ponds are easily contaminated, PBR&#039;s (photobioreactors) can be expensive (there are much more affordable options, read on!)

Processing - challenges to harvesting and extracting oil

Carbon Capture - is it really feasible? Can the algae keep up with the output of the factory, and what about during the night when algae is not active? Can the waste be reliably transferred into the algae; are the right growing conditions and enough land there alongside the plant to cultivate the algae? (&quot;to fully use the emissions from a 50 MWe natural gas fired power plant land would require 2200 acres of algae.&quot;) Additional nutrients are still required, such as N, P, or K, which must be added in precise amounts and typically come from chemicals like ammonia or nitrate and phosphorous. Taking into consideration all of the processing, is there really a net reduction or capture of CO2? Also, capturing the emissions it is not true sequestration, as the carbon used will be burned again as fuel. 

Differing results from various strains, environmental conditions, and growing systems

If chemicals are used to extract oil or process fuel, some materials in exhaust can be toxic

Environmental Concerns - if major cultivation takes place, especially of GM (genetically modified) algae - what if it gets into the environment and seriously disrupts the ecosystem?


I still think there is enough evidence to suggest that this is the right direction for us to take, however there are still challenges. The Algae Revolution is upon us; I think we will be seeing amazing breakthroughs every day.

To learn how to make algae biofuels, check out:
Algae to Biodiesel: http://www.organicmechanic.com/algae-to-biodiesel/
Algae to Ethanol: http://www.organicmechanic.com/algae-ethanol/

And for a look at the broad range of goods possible from algae and considerations for how to scale them up into entrepreneurial pursuits, check out Algae Business:
http://www.organicmechanic.com/algae-business/

Let me know if there are any questions about algae, or equipment to cultivate and use biofuels! www.OrganicMechanic.com provides a wide range of green technology solutions to make it easy to Go Green!

Chris&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;19924&#039;,&#039;Christopher Kindig&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;19924&#039;,&#039;Christopher Kindig&#039;,&#039;Interesting.\r\n\r\nAlgae can be made into a variety of biofuels, including biodiesel, ethanol, algae, and biogas. To add to your analysis, here are some pros and cons to algae as fuel:\r\n\r\nPROS:\r\nAlgae grows in all directions\r\nSingle celled with no superstructure required for algae (roots, trunks, leaves)\r\nGrowth speed: 140 days for land crops; algae grows year round &amp; mature in just 1 or 2 days\r\nAlgae weathers extreme conditions well, so resistant to drought, wind, rain, and insects\r\nGrow 30-100 x more oil per acre than corn or soybeans\r\nNo sulfur, non toxic, biodegradable\r\nCan mix with existing fuels in existing vehicles\r\nCan also produce fuel, bioplastics, medicine, nutrition, animal feed, fertilizer, and more\r\nCan absorb CO2 and other pollutants from coal power plants, cement manufacturing, fossil fuel extraction and refining, fermentation based industries, ethanol production, etc\r\n\r\nCONS:\r\n\r\nScale - difficulty replicating lab results into larger volume of production\r\n\r\nGrowing - using open ponds are easily contaminated, PBR\&#039;s (photobioreactors) can be expensive (there are much more affordable options, read on!)\r\n\r\nProcessing - challenges to harvesting and extracting oil\r\n\r\nCarbon Capture - is it really feasible? Can the algae keep up with the output of the factory, and what about during the night when algae is not active? Can the waste be reliably transferred into the algae; are the right growing conditions and enough land there alongside the plant to cultivate the algae? (\&quot;to fully use the emissions from a 50 MWe natural gas fired power plant land would require 2200 acres of algae.\&quot;) Additional nutrients are still required, such as N, P, or K, which must be added in precise amounts and typically come from chemicals like ammonia or nitrate and phosphorous. Taking into consideration all of the processing, is there really a net reduction or capture of CO2? Also, capturing the emissions it is not true sequestration, as the carbon used will be burned again as fuel. \r\n\r\nDiffering results from various strains, environmental conditions, and growing systems\r\n\r\nIf chemicals are used to extract oil or process fuel, some materials in exhaust can be toxic\r\n\r\nEnvironmental Concerns - if major cultivation takes place, especially of GM (genetically modified) algae - what if it gets into the environment and seriously disrupts the ecosystem?\r\n\r\n\r\nI still think there is enough evidence to suggest that this is the right direction for us to take, however there are still challenges. The Algae Revolution is upon us; I think we will be seeing amazing breakthroughs every day.\r\n\r\nTo learn how to make algae biofuels, check out:\r\nAlgae to Biodiesel: http:\/\/www.organicmechanic.com\/algae-to-biodiesel\/\r\nAlgae to Ethanol: http:\/\/www.organicmechanic.com\/algae-ethanol\/\r\n\r\nAnd for a look at the broad range of goods possible from algae and considerations for how to scale them up into entrepreneurial pursuits, check out Algae Business:\r\nhttp:\/\/www.organicmechanic.com\/algae-business\/\r\n\r\nLet me know if there are any questions about algae, or equipment to cultivate and use biofuels! www.OrganicMechanic.com provides a wide range of green technology solutions to make it easy to Go Green!\r\n\r\nChris&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting.</p>
<p>Algae can be made into a variety of biofuels, including biodiesel, ethanol, algae, and biogas. To add to your analysis, here are some pros and cons to algae as fuel:</p>
<p>PROS:<br />
Algae grows in all directions<br />
Single celled with no superstructure required for algae (roots, trunks, leaves)<br />
Growth speed: 140 days for land crops; algae grows year round &amp; mature in just 1 or 2 days<br />
Algae weathers extreme conditions well, so resistant to drought, wind, rain, and insects<br />
Grow 30-100 x more oil per acre than corn or soybeans<br />
No sulfur, non toxic, biodegradable<br />
Can mix with existing fuels in existing vehicles<br />
Can also produce fuel, bioplastics, medicine, nutrition, animal feed, fertilizer, and more<br />
Can absorb CO2 and other pollutants from coal power plants, cement manufacturing, fossil fuel extraction and refining, fermentation based industries, ethanol production, etc</p>
<p>CONS:</p>
<p>Scale &#8211; difficulty replicating lab results into larger volume of production</p>
<p>Growing &#8211; using open ponds are easily contaminated, PBR&#8217;s (photobioreactors) can be expensive (there are much more affordable options, read on!)</p>
<p>Processing &#8211; challenges to harvesting and extracting oil</p>
<p>Carbon Capture &#8211; is it really feasible? Can the algae keep up with the output of the factory, and what about during the night when algae is not active? Can the waste be reliably transferred into the algae; are the right growing conditions and enough land there alongside the plant to cultivate the algae? (&#8220;to fully use the emissions from a 50 MWe natural gas fired power plant land would require 2200 acres of algae.&#8221;) Additional nutrients are still required, such as N, P, or K, which must be added in precise amounts and typically come from chemicals like ammonia or nitrate and phosphorous. Taking into consideration all of the processing, is there really a net reduction or capture of CO2? Also, capturing the emissions it is not true sequestration, as the carbon used will be burned again as fuel. </p>
<p>Differing results from various strains, environmental conditions, and growing systems</p>
<p>If chemicals are used to extract oil or process fuel, some materials in exhaust can be toxic</p>
<p>Environmental Concerns &#8211; if major cultivation takes place, especially of GM (genetically modified) algae &#8211; what if it gets into the environment and seriously disrupts the ecosystem?</p>
<p>I still think there is enough evidence to suggest that this is the right direction for us to take, however there are still challenges. The Algae Revolution is upon us; I think we will be seeing amazing breakthroughs every day.</p>
<p>To learn how to make algae biofuels, check out:<br />
Algae to Biodiesel: <a href="http://www.organicmechanic.com/algae-to-biodiesel/" rel="nofollow">http://www.organicmechanic.com/algae-to-biodiesel/</a><br />
Algae to Ethanol: <a href="http://www.organicmechanic.com/algae-ethanol/" rel="nofollow">http://www.organicmechanic.com/algae-ethanol/</a></p>
<p>And for a look at the broad range of goods possible from algae and considerations for how to scale them up into entrepreneurial pursuits, check out Algae Business:<br />
<a href="http://www.organicmechanic.com/algae-business/" rel="nofollow">http://www.organicmechanic.com/algae-business/</a></p>
<p>Let me know if there are any questions about algae, or equipment to cultivate and use biofuels! <a href="http://www.OrganicMechanic.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.OrganicMechanic.com</a> provides a wide range of green technology solutions to make it easy to Go Green!</p>
<p>Chris
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('19924','Christopher Kindig'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('19924','Christopher Kindig','Interesting.\r\n\r\nAlgae can be made into a variety of biofuels, including biodiesel, ethanol, algae, and biogas. To add to your analysis, here are some pros and cons to algae as fuel:\r\n\r\nPROS:\r\nAlgae grows in all directions\r\nSingle celled with no superstructure required for algae (roots, trunks, leaves)\r\nGrowth speed: 140 days for land crops; algae grows year round &amp;amp; mature in just 1 or 2 days\r\nAlgae weathers extreme conditions well, so resistant to drought, wind, rain, and insects\r\nGrow 30-100 x more oil per acre than corn or soybeans\r\nNo sulfur, non toxic, biodegradable\r\nCan mix with existing fuels in existing vehicles\r\nCan also produce fuel, bioplastics, medicine, nutrition, animal feed, fertilizer, and more\r\nCan absorb CO2 and other pollutants from coal power plants, cement manufacturing, fossil fuel extraction and refining, fermentation based industries, ethanol production, etc\r\n\r\nCONS:\r\n\r\nScale - difficulty replicating lab results into larger volume of production\r\n\r\nGrowing - using open ponds are easily contaminated, PBR\'s (photobioreactors) can be expensive (there are much more affordable options, read on!)\r\n\r\nProcessing - challenges to harvesting and extracting oil\r\n\r\nCarbon Capture - is it really feasible? Can the algae keep up with the output of the factory, and what about during the night when algae is not active? Can the waste be reliably transferred into the algae; are the right growing conditions and enough land there alongside the plant to cultivate the algae? (\&quot;to fully use the emissions from a 50 MWe natural gas fired power plant land would require 2200 acres of algae.\&quot;) Additional nutrients are still required, such as N, P, or K, which must be added in precise amounts and typically come from chemicals like ammonia or nitrate and phosphorous. Taking into consideration all of the processing, is there really a net reduction or capture of CO2? Also, capturing the emissions it is not true sequestration, as the carbon used will be burned again as fuel. \r\n\r\nDiffering results from various strains, environmental conditions, and growing systems\r\n\r\nIf chemicals are used to extract oil or process fuel, some materials in exhaust can be toxic\r\n\r\nEnvironmental Concerns - if major cultivation takes place, especially of GM (genetically modified) algae - what if it gets into the environment and seriously disrupts the ecosystem?\r\n\r\n\r\nI still think there is enough evidence to suggest that this is the right direction for us to take, however there are still challenges. The Algae Revolution is upon us; I think we will be seeing amazing breakthroughs every day.\r\n\r\nTo learn how to make algae biofuels, check out:\r\nAlgae to Biodiesel: http:\/\/www.organicmechanic.com\/algae-to-biodiesel\/\r\nAlgae to Ethanol: http:\/\/www.organicmechanic.com\/algae-ethanol\/\r\n\r\nAnd for a look at the broad range of goods possible from algae and considerations for how to scale them up into entrepreneurial pursuits, check out Algae Business:\r\nhttp:\/\/www.organicmechanic.com\/algae-business\/\r\n\r\nLet me know if there are any questions about algae, or equipment to cultivate and use biofuels! <a href="http://www.OrganicMechanic.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.OrganicMechanic.com</a> provides a wide range of green technology solutions to make it easy to Go Green!\r\n\r\nChris&#8217;); return false;&#8221;>Quote</div>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 21:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article is misleading.  They talk about how algae has a higher carbon footprint that corn but it only need to compete with oil!  If it is cheaper and better than fossil fuel and takes no crops away from us the it should be highly considered.  It also yields more energy than corn, sugar, or any other crop used to make ethanol.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;15488&#039;,&#039;Wayne&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;15488&#039;,&#039;Wayne&#039;,&#039;This article is misleading.  They talk about how algae has a higher carbon footprint that corn but it only need to compete with oil!  If it is cheaper and better than fossil fuel and takes no crops away from us the it should be highly considered.  It also yields more energy than corn, sugar, or any other crop used to make ethanol.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article is misleading.  They talk about how algae has a higher carbon footprint that corn but it only need to compete with oil!  If it is cheaper and better than fossil fuel and takes no crops away from us the it should be highly considered.  It also yields more energy than corn, sugar, or any other crop used to make ethanol.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('15488','Wayne'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('15488','Wayne','This article is misleading.  They talk about how algae has a higher carbon footprint that corn but it only need to compete with oil!  If it is cheaper and better than fossil fuel and takes no crops away from us the it should be highly considered.  It also yields more energy than corn, sugar, or any other crop used to make ethanol.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: yonnie</title>
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		<dc:creator>yonnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jun 2010 16:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once again Big Oil has payed one of their many think tanks groups to come up with a &quot;study&quot; discrediting their competition.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;14913&#039;,&#039;yonnie&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;14913&#039;,&#039;yonnie&#039;,&#039;Once again Big Oil has payed one of their many think tanks groups to come up with a \&quot;study\&quot; discrediting their competition.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again Big Oil has payed one of their many think tanks groups to come up with a &#8220;study&#8221; discrediting their competition.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('14913','yonnie'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('14913','yonnie','Once again Big Oil has payed one of their many think tanks groups to come up with a \&quot;study\&quot; discrediting their competition.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2010 08:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey,

nothing we are discussion right now/today is THE solution. But it seems to me that the powers that &quot;be&quot; try everything to stay in control of distribution. Anything that can be done Off-grid (at home) is discouraged...
It would be interesting to see who funded the study...anyone?

Daniel&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;14828&#039;,&#039;Daniel&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;14828&#039;,&#039;Daniel&#039;,&#039;Hey,\r\n\r\nnothing we are discussion right now\/today is THE solution. But it seems to me that the powers that \&quot;be\&quot; try everything to stay in control of distribution. Anything that can be done Off-grid (at home) is discouraged...\r\nIt would be interesting to see who funded the study...anyone?\r\n\r\nDaniel&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey,</p>
<p>nothing we are discussion right now/today is THE solution. But it seems to me that the powers that &#8220;be&#8221; try everything to stay in control of distribution. Anything that can be done Off-grid (at home) is discouraged&#8230;<br />
It would be interesting to see who funded the study&#8230;anyone?</p>
<p>Daniel
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('14828','Daniel'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('14828','Daniel','Hey,\r\n\r\nnothing we are discussion right now\/today is THE solution. But it seems to me that the powers that \&quot;be\&quot; try everything to stay in control of distribution. Anything that can be done Off-grid (at home) is discouraged...\r\nIt would be interesting to see who funded the study...anyone?\r\n\r\nDaniel'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 06:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ever heard of the new, closed loop system? Running water with algae in it through soft, clear plastic tubing in a glass room, so that the algae is able to be farmed within two days of its setup.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;14811&#039;,&#039;Andrew&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;14811&#039;,&#039;Andrew&#039;,&#039;Ever heard of the new, closed loop system? Running water with algae in it through soft, clear plastic tubing in a glass room, so that the algae is able to be farmed within two days of its setup.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ever heard of the new, closed loop system? Running water with algae in it through soft, clear plastic tubing in a glass room, so that the algae is able to be farmed within two days of its setup.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('14811','Andrew'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('14811','Andrew','Ever heard of the new, closed loop system? Running water with algae in it through soft, clear plastic tubing in a glass room, so that the algae is able to be farmed within two days of its setup.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: michael cole</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael cole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jun 2010 23:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmmm....Ethanot from corn became big and researchers came up with a reason to discredit it, but offered no numbers in those articles.  Algae based fuels are becoming a real possibility and once again articles with no numbers or data to back it up are attacking algae.  Show me numbers.  If a company starts building houses with solar panels will we see articles talking about how the sun is responsible for global warming?  Do your journalistic duty.  Tell me some numbers.  Who paid for the Virginia research study.  Can I use the dat from the study and reproduce the results independently?  Did the authors verify this information?  What happened to the two source idea for artivles?&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;14620&#039;,&#039;michael cole&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;14620&#039;,&#039;michael cole&#039;,&#039;Hmmmm....Ethanot from corn became big and researchers came up with a reason to discredit it, but offered no numbers in those articles.  Algae based fuels are becoming a real possibility and once again articles with no numbers or data to back it up are attacking algae.  Show me numbers.  If a company starts building houses with solar panels will we see articles talking about how the sun is responsible for global warming?  Do your journalistic duty.  Tell me some numbers.  Who paid for the Virginia research study.  Can I use the dat from the study and reproduce the results independently?  Did the authors verify this information?  What happened to the two source idea for artivles?&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmmm&#8230;.Ethanot from corn became big and researchers came up with a reason to discredit it, but offered no numbers in those articles.  Algae based fuels are becoming a real possibility and once again articles with no numbers or data to back it up are attacking algae.  Show me numbers.  If a company starts building houses with solar panels will we see articles talking about how the sun is responsible for global warming?  Do your journalistic duty.  Tell me some numbers.  Who paid for the Virginia research study.  Can I use the dat from the study and reproduce the results independently?  Did the authors verify this information?  What happened to the two source idea for artivles?
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('14620','michael cole'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('14620','michael cole','Hmmmm....Ethanot from corn became big and researchers came up with a reason to discredit it, but offered no numbers in those articles.  Algae based fuels are becoming a real possibility and once again articles with no numbers or data to back it up are attacking algae.  Show me numbers.  If a company starts building houses with solar panels will we see articles talking about how the sun is responsible for global warming?  Do your journalistic duty.  Tell me some numbers.  Who paid for the Virginia research study.  Can I use the dat from the study and reproduce the results independently?  Did the authors verify this information?  What happened to the two source idea for artivles?'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Martin Tampier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Tampier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quite true, but I would even go further: since plants only use 4% of solar energy, whereas some PV panels now use 16% or more, they have a clear disadvantage. We examined algae biofuels in detail last year (see http://www.bcic.ca/media-and-press/publications/life-sciences-publications) and think that the current approaches will not work. Pumping tonnes of water to grow a few algae is energetically and financially unsustainable. We would need to think of entirely different concepts to grow algae if we are to succeed.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;11905&#039;,&#039;Martin Tampier&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;11905&#039;,&#039;Martin Tampier&#039;,&#039;Quite true, but I would even go further: since plants only use 4% of solar energy, whereas some PV panels now use 16% or more, they have a clear disadvantage. We examined algae biofuels in detail last year (see http:\/\/www.bcic.ca\/media-and-press\/publications\/life-sciences-publications) and think that the current approaches will not work. Pumping tonnes of water to grow a few algae is energetically and financially unsustainable. We would need to think of entirely different concepts to grow algae if we are to succeed.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite true, but I would even go further: since plants only use 4% of solar energy, whereas some PV panels now use 16% or more, they have a clear disadvantage. We examined algae biofuels in detail last year (see <a href="http://www.bcic.ca/media-and-press/publications/life-sciences-publications" rel="nofollow">http://www.bcic.ca/media-and-press/publications/life-sciences-publications</a>) and think that the current approaches will not work. Pumping tonnes of water to grow a few algae is energetically and financially unsustainable. We would need to think of entirely different concepts to grow algae if we are to succeed.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('11905','Martin Tampier'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('11905','Martin Tampier','Quite true, but I would even go further: since plants only use 4% of solar energy, whereas some PV panels now use 16% or more, they have a clear disadvantage. We examined algae biofuels in detail last year (see http:\/\/www.bcic.ca\/media-and-press\/publications\/life-sciences-publications) and think that the current approaches will not work. Pumping tonnes of water to grow a few algae is energetically and financially unsustainable. We would need to think of entirely different concepts to grow algae if we are to succeed.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Lars Dunn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lars Dunn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 05:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no ethanol curse, except as a possible reason why the media continues to publish such non-information and demostrate their lack of competence by repeating political claims, not scientific evidence.

Obviously Clarens, from his comments, is not much of an expert on biofuels.  Ethanol was not responsible for food price increases, ethanol production results in almost twice as much energy produced as consummed in its production, and algae projects are continuing to increase because of their carbon dioxide consumming and protein production potential.  This so-called authority should not have been quoted in this article, unless the author wanted to showcase his lack of research and knowledge on the subject.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;11890&#039;,&#039;Lars Dunn&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;11890&#039;,&#039;Lars Dunn&#039;,&#039;There is no ethanol curse, except as a possible reason why the media continues to publish such non-information and demostrate their lack of competence by repeating political claims, not scientific evidence.\r\n\r\nObviously Clarens, from his comments, is not much of an expert on biofuels.  Ethanol was not responsible for food price increases, ethanol production results in almost twice as much energy produced as consummed in its production, and algae projects are continuing to increase because of their carbon dioxide consumming and protein production potential.  This so-called authority should not have been quoted in this article, unless the author wanted to showcase his lack of research and knowledge on the subject.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no ethanol curse, except as a possible reason why the media continues to publish such non-information and demostrate their lack of competence by repeating political claims, not scientific evidence.</p>
<p>Obviously Clarens, from his comments, is not much of an expert on biofuels.  Ethanol was not responsible for food price increases, ethanol production results in almost twice as much energy produced as consummed in its production, and algae projects are continuing to increase because of their carbon dioxide consumming and protein production potential.  This so-called authority should not have been quoted in this article, unless the author wanted to showcase his lack of research and knowledge on the subject.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('11890','Lars Dunn'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('11890','Lars Dunn','There is no ethanol curse, except as a possible reason why the media continues to publish such non-information and demostrate their lack of competence by repeating political claims, not scientific evidence.\r\n\r\nObviously Clarens, from his comments, is not much of an expert on biofuels.  Ethanol was not responsible for food price increases, ethanol production results in almost twice as much energy produced as consummed in its production, and algae projects are continuing to increase because of their carbon dioxide consumming and protein production potential.  This so-called authority should not have been quoted in this article, unless the author wanted to showcase his lack of research and knowledge on the subject.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Bewildered_response</title>
		<link>http://www.greenbang.com/corn-ethanol-curse-strikes-again-algae-fuels-have-large-footprint_13325.html/comment-page-1#comment-11886</link>
		<dc:creator>Bewildered_response</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 22:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The primary cost of algae growth is the CO2 presently being bottled in.
The utilisation of CO2 from varied sources and delivered to algae growers is feasible and being tried and tested.
Origo Industries proved capturing CO2 from a vehicle and feeding it to algae for re-use over 12 months ago, now the company is shrouded in silence.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;11886&#039;,&#039;Bewildered_response&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;11886&#039;,&#039;Bewildered_response&#039;,&#039;The primary cost of algae growth is the CO2 presently being bottled in.\r\nThe utilisation of CO2 from varied sources and delivered to algae growers is feasible and being tried and tested.\r\nOrigo Industries proved capturing CO2 from a vehicle and feeding it to algae for re-use over 12 months ago, now the company is shrouded in silence.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The primary cost of algae growth is the CO2 presently being bottled in.<br />
The utilisation of CO2 from varied sources and delivered to algae growers is feasible and being tried and tested.<br />
Origo Industries proved capturing CO2 from a vehicle and feeding it to algae for re-use over 12 months ago, now the company is shrouded in silence.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('11886','Bewildered_response'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('11886','Bewildered_response','The primary cost of algae growth is the CO2 presently being bottled in.\r\nThe utilisation of CO2 from varied sources and delivered to algae growers is feasible and being tried and tested.\r\nOrigo Industries proved capturing CO2 from a vehicle and feeding it to algae for re-use over 12 months ago, now the company is shrouded in silence.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: scott</title>
		<link>http://www.greenbang.com/corn-ethanol-curse-strikes-again-algae-fuels-have-large-footprint_13325.html/comment-page-1#comment-11885</link>
		<dc:creator>scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 20:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To ezshooter:
It&#039;s easy to say this article is a hack job, but you offer no particulars. The study seems to make sense. The deal is that we won&#039;t get something for nothing. I think the closest we can get to that is solar, because anything we use now is just distilled solar energy. Alas, there are issues with solar energy, too.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;11885&#039;,&#039;scott&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;11885&#039;,&#039;scott&#039;,&#039;To ezshooter:\r\nIt\&#039;s easy to say this article is a hack job, but you offer no particulars. The study seems to make sense. The deal is that we won\&#039;t get something for nothing. I think the closest we can get to that is solar, because anything we use now is just distilled solar energy. Alas, there are issues with solar energy, too.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To ezshooter:<br />
It&#8217;s easy to say this article is a hack job, but you offer no particulars. The study seems to make sense. The deal is that we won&#8217;t get something for nothing. I think the closest we can get to that is solar, because anything we use now is just distilled solar energy. Alas, there are issues with solar energy, too.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('11885','scott'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('11885','scott','To ezshooter:\r\nIt\'s easy to say this article is a hack job, but you offer no particulars. The study seems to make sense. The deal is that we won\'t get something for nothing. I think the closest we can get to that is solar, because anything we use now is just distilled solar energy. Alas, there are issues with solar energy, too.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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