Comments on: Ohio ‘dark grey powder’ the future of hydrogen cars? http://www.greenbang.com/ohio-dark-grey-powder-the-future-of-hydrogen-cars_4600.html Sustainable Energy Insight Fri, 27 Jan 2012 01:18:08 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Brad http://www.greenbang.com/ohio-dark-grey-powder-the-future-of-hydrogen-cars_4600.html/comment-page-1#comment-12522 Brad Tue, 09 Mar 2010 22:47:51 +0000 http://www.greenbang.com/?p=4600#comment-12522 Arghh. This reminds me of an incident that involved my brother in law. He was talking to a guy that was spouting the myth of the 350MPG car. My brother in law correctly pointed out that this was a myth, etc. The other guy got so angry, he said "I have seen the car". He was so emotionally invested in the argument that he lied to promote it. Let's keep that in mind when reading some of these posts. By the way, the laws of thermodynamics still hold. The device that uses electricity from the alternator to perform electrolysis upon water -- to separate the hydrogen from the oxygen to be fed back into the car for combustion -- will reduce your mileage ever so slightly. Obviously. There's no such thing as a free lunch.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('12522','Brad'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('12522','Brad','Arghh. This reminds me of an incident that involved my brother in law. He was talking to a guy that was spouting the myth of the 350MPG car. My brother in law correctly pointed out that this was a myth, etc. The other guy got so angry, he said \"I have seen the car\". He was so emotionally invested in the argument that he lied to promote it.\r\n\r\nLet\'s keep that in mind when reading some of these posts.\r\n\r\nBy the way, the laws of thermodynamics still hold. The device that uses electricity from the alternator to perform electrolysis upon water -- to separate the hydrogen from the oxygen to be fed back into the car for combustion -- will reduce your mileage ever so slightly. Obviously. There\'s no such thing as a free lunch.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Arghh. This reminds me of an incident that involved my brother in law. He was talking to a guy that was spouting the myth of the 350MPG car. My brother in law correctly pointed out that this was a myth, etc. The other guy got so angry, he said “I have seen the car”. He was so emotionally invested in the argument that he lied to promote it.

Let’s keep that in mind when reading some of these posts.

By the way, the laws of thermodynamics still hold. The device that uses electricity from the alternator to perform electrolysis upon water — to separate the hydrogen from the oxygen to be fed back into the car for combustion — will reduce your mileage ever so slightly. Obviously. There’s no such thing as a free lunch.

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]]> By: hillary http://www.greenbang.com/ohio-dark-grey-powder-the-future-of-hydrogen-cars_4600.html/comment-page-1#comment-4310 hillary Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:25:11 +0000 http://www.greenbang.com/?p=4600#comment-4310 Opps, forgot this linky, sorry. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oATE4PTcWEk&NR=1<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('4310','hillary'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('4310','hillary','Opps, forgot this linky, sorry.\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=oATE4PTcWEk&NR=1'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Opps, forgot this linky, sorry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oATE4PTcWEk&NR=1

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]]> By: hillary http://www.greenbang.com/ohio-dark-grey-powder-the-future-of-hydrogen-cars_4600.html/comment-page-1#comment-4309 hillary Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:19:13 +0000 http://www.greenbang.com/?p=4600#comment-4309 Well james jones! Then why is it that the dozens of people I know are using them, and getting excellent results, some even doubling their MPG? Somebody is lying. Gee, who could that be? @ www.WaterDriver.com there is a ton of information about this available for anybody to purchase in the free world. You can fool some of the people all of the time. You can fool all of the people some of the time. But you cannot fool all of the people all of the time. The oil companies have over-grossly polluted and profited for long enough because the public did not know about this simple technology. Now that it's spreading like like a wildfire, even they are now using this simple technology at gas stations to make their own hydrogen, to store and dispense at the new hydrogen pumps at gas stations, for the new hydrogen cars being released in the 2010 model year. Since it's obviously a scam in your opinion, then you'd better go tell Shell Oil that their newly installed systems in their gas stations won't work!<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('4309','hillary'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('4309','hillary','Well james jones!\r\n\r\nThen why is it that the dozens of people I know are using them, and getting excellent results, some even doubling their MPG? Somebody is lying. Gee, who could that be? @ www.WaterDriver.com there is a ton of information about this available for anybody to purchase in the free world. \r\n\r\nYou can fool some of the people all of the time. You can fool all of the people some of the time. But you cannot fool all of the people all of the time. \r\n\r\nThe oil companies have over-grossly polluted and profited for long enough because the public did not know about this simple technology. Now that it\'s spreading like like a wildfire, even they are now using this simple technology at gas stations to make their own hydrogen, to store and dispense at the new hydrogen pumps at gas stations, for the new hydrogen cars being released in the 2010 model year.\r\n\r\nSince it\'s obviously a scam in your opinion, then you\'d better go tell Shell Oil that their newly installed systems in their gas stations won\'t work!'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Well james jones!

Then why is it that the dozens of people I know are using them, and getting excellent results, some even doubling their MPG? Somebody is lying. Gee, who could that be? @ http://www.WaterDriver.com there is a ton of information about this available for anybody to purchase in the free world.

You can fool some of the people all of the time. You can fool all of the people some of the time. But you cannot fool all of the people all of the time.

The oil companies have over-grossly polluted and profited for long enough because the public did not know about this simple technology. Now that it’s spreading like like a wildfire, even they are now using this simple technology at gas stations to make their own hydrogen, to store and dispense at the new hydrogen pumps at gas stations, for the new hydrogen cars being released in the 2010 model year.

Since it’s obviously a scam in your opinion, then you’d better go tell Shell Oil that their newly installed systems in their gas stations won’t work!

Reply – http://www.WaterDriver.com there is a ton of information about this available for anybody to purchase in the free world. \r\n\r\nYou can fool some of the people all of the time. You can fool all of the people some of the time. But you cannot fool all of the people all of the time. \r\n\r\nThe oil companies have over-grossly polluted and profited for long enough because the public did not know about this simple technology. Now that it\’s spreading like like a wildfire, even they are now using this simple technology at gas stations to make their own hydrogen, to store and dispense at the new hydrogen pumps at gas stations, for the new hydrogen cars being released in the 2010 model year.\r\n\r\nSince it\’s obviously a scam in your opinion, then you\’d better go tell Shell Oil that their newly installed systems in their gas stations won\’t work!’); return false;”>Quote
]]> By: james jones http://www.greenbang.com/ohio-dark-grey-powder-the-future-of-hydrogen-cars_4600.html/comment-page-1#comment-4296 james jones Fri, 22 Aug 2008 00:04:27 +0000 http://www.greenbang.com/?p=4600#comment-4296 If your referring to hydrogen boosting, ie using electricity from the engine to produce hydrogen and oxygen then feeding that back to the engine: That's a scam.. Simple fraud. Popular mechanics just released the results of their tests, and it doesn't increase mileage. http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/how_to/4276846.html Consumer affairs has an article: http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2008/07/water4gas.html These things defy the 2nd law of thermodynamics and the simple test of reason. If they worked then some major car company, somewhere would be putting them on next years model. This stuff is like the herbal cancer cures, ultimately they say that everyone who disagrees with them is working for the oil companies.. There's a ton of money to be made and there's a fool born every minute.. My local paper ran a full page add today on "Cyclone Fans" for the engine, "spins" the air before it hits the air filter. I'm sure they sell a bunch of them, but they're also garbage.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('4296','james jones'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('4296','james jones','If your referring to hydrogen boosting, ie using electricity from the engine to produce hydrogen and oxygen then feeding that back to the engine: That\'s a scam..\r\n\r\nSimple fraud.\r\n\r\nPopular mechanics just released the results of their tests, and it doesn\'t increase mileage.\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.popularmechanics.com\/automotive\/how_to\/4276846.html\r\n\r\nConsumer affairs has an article:\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.consumeraffairs.com\/news04\/2008\/07\/water4gas.html\r\n\r\nThese things defy the 2nd law of thermodynamics and the simple test of reason. If they worked then some major car company, somewhere would be putting them on next years model.\r\n\r\nThis stuff is like the herbal cancer cures, ultimately they say that everyone who disagrees with them is working for the oil companies..\r\n\r\nThere\'s a ton of money to be made and there\'s a fool born every minute..\r\n\r\nMy local paper ran a full page add today on \"Cyclone Fans\" for the engine, \"spins\" the air before it hits the air filter.\r\n\r\nI\'m sure they sell a bunch of them, but they\'re also garbage.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> If your referring to hydrogen boosting, ie using electricity from the engine to produce hydrogen and oxygen then feeding that back to the engine: That’s a scam..

Simple fraud.

Popular mechanics just released the results of their tests, and it doesn’t increase mileage.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/how_to/4276846.html

Consumer affairs has an article:

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2008/07/water4gas.html

These things defy the 2nd law of thermodynamics and the simple test of reason. If they worked then some major car company, somewhere would be putting them on next years model.

This stuff is like the herbal cancer cures, ultimately they say that everyone who disagrees with them is working for the oil companies..

There’s a ton of money to be made and there’s a fool born every minute..

My local paper ran a full page add today on “Cyclone Fans” for the engine, “spins” the air before it hits the air filter.

I’m sure they sell a bunch of them, but they’re also garbage.

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]]> By: hillary http://www.greenbang.com/ohio-dark-grey-powder-the-future-of-hydrogen-cars_4600.html/comment-page-1#comment-4293 hillary Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:20:19 +0000 http://www.greenbang.com/?p=4600#comment-4293 That's fine, but the safest way is of course hydrogen-on-demand systems in vehicles, where the hydrogen is safely stored as water. This doesn't give the oil companies the income they so badly want, when everybody can just add water to their on-board systems. And these systems are very plentiful in the marketplace already, constantly undergoing refinement and R & D. That's why the oil companies are now getting into the hydrogen business, making gigantic hydrogen-on-demand systems at gas stations, where they just add water. Then they just sell it to motorists at those gas stations, and let the motorists take the risks of carrying around super-pressurized hydrogen tanks!<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('4293','hillary'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('4293','hillary','That\'s fine, but the safest way is of course hydrogen-on-demand systems in vehicles, where the hydrogen is safely stored as water. This doesn\'t give the oil companies the income they so badly want, when everybody can just add water to their on-board systems. And these systems are very plentiful in the marketplace already, constantly undergoing refinement and R & D. That\'s why the oil companies are now getting into the hydrogen business, making gigantic hydrogen-on-demand systems at gas stations, where they just add water. Then they just sell it to motorists at those gas stations, and let the motorists take the risks of carrying around super-pressurized hydrogen tanks!'); return false;">Quote</a></div> That’s fine, but the safest way is of course hydrogen-on-demand systems in vehicles, where the hydrogen is safely stored as water. This doesn’t give the oil companies the income they so badly want, when everybody can just add water to their on-board systems. And these systems are very plentiful in the marketplace already, constantly undergoing refinement and R & D. That’s why the oil companies are now getting into the hydrogen business, making gigantic hydrogen-on-demand systems at gas stations, where they just add water. Then they just sell it to motorists at those gas stations, and let the motorists take the risks of carrying around super-pressurized hydrogen tanks!
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