Comments on: Report: Fight climate change with soy burgers, ‘in vitro meat’ http://www.greenbang.com/report-fight-climate-change-with-soy-burgers-in-vitro-meat_12300.html Sustainable Energy Insight Fri, 27 Jan 2012 01:18:08 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Fake meat, animal rights and country living « LiveTheCountryDream http://www.greenbang.com/report-fight-climate-change-with-soy-burgers-in-vitro-meat_12300.html/comment-page-1#comment-15100 Fake meat, animal rights and country living « LiveTheCountryDream Mon, 05 Jul 2010 21:38:43 +0000 http://www.greenbang.com/?p=12300#comment-15100 [...] stem cells. It’s often opposed for medical reasons so why is it ok to eat it? Still other reports claim soy is the answer to the climate crisis. The balance there is soy is not a healthy option [...]<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('15100','Fake meat, animal rights and country living « LiveTheCountryDream'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('15100','Fake meat, animal rights and country living « LiveTheCountryDream','[...] stem cells. It’s often opposed for medical reasons so why is it ok to eat it? Still other reports claim soy is the answer to the climate crisis. The balance there is soy is not a healthy option [...]'); return false;">Quote</a></div> [...] stem cells. It’s often opposed for medical reasons so why is it ok to eat it? Still other reports claim soy is the answer to the climate crisis. The balance there is soy is not a healthy option [...]
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]]> By: Daniel Waters http://www.greenbang.com/report-fight-climate-change-with-soy-burgers-in-vitro-meat_12300.html/comment-page-1#comment-11322 Daniel Waters Tue, 22 Dec 2009 17:05:53 +0000 http://www.greenbang.com/?p=12300#comment-11322 Human population is near 7 billion. Suppose 3 billion of them eat cows, chickens and pigs. Contrast that to maybe 0.5 billion human meat-eaters on earth in 1700. That's 6x as much methane produced. Contrast both those situations to the case if these people ate at the low end of the species sentience. They'd reduce methane emissions by a factor of 10 because the efficiency of producing the same number of calories by going through an intermediate species, such as cows and pigs, is 10X less than if people ate plants directly. So, both human overpopulation and the thermodynamic inefficiency of eating meat create a situation today 60 times worse than a vegetarian world with a population like that from 1700.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('11322','Daniel Waters'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('11322','Daniel Waters','Human population is near 7 billion. Suppose 3 billion of them eat cows, chickens and pigs. Contrast that to maybe 0.5 billion human meat-eaters on earth in 1700. That\'s 6x as much methane produced. Contrast both those situations to the case if these people ate at the low end of the species sentience. They\'d reduce methane emissions by a factor of 10 because the efficiency of producing the same number of calories by going through an intermediate species, such as cows and pigs, is 10X less than if people ate plants directly. So, both human overpopulation and the thermodynamic inefficiency of eating meat create a situation today 60 times worse than a vegetarian world with a population like that from 1700.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Human population is near 7 billion. Suppose 3 billion of them eat cows, chickens and pigs. Contrast that to maybe 0.5 billion human meat-eaters on earth in 1700. That’s 6x as much methane produced. Contrast both those situations to the case if these people ate at the low end of the species sentience. They’d reduce methane emissions by a factor of 10 because the efficiency of producing the same number of calories by going through an intermediate species, such as cows and pigs, is 10X less than if people ate plants directly. So, both human overpopulation and the thermodynamic inefficiency of eating meat create a situation today 60 times worse than a vegetarian world with a population like that from 1700.
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]]> By: Daniel Waters http://www.greenbang.com/report-fight-climate-change-with-soy-burgers-in-vitro-meat_12300.html/comment-page-1#comment-11302 Daniel Waters Tue, 22 Dec 2009 01:38:02 +0000 http://www.greenbang.com/?p=12300#comment-11302 Sign me up for a job in biosynthesizing meat! Breeding animals for food and meat need to be outlawed immediately - mainly for the animals' sake -except for rare exceptions.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('11302','Daniel Waters'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('11302','Daniel Waters','Sign me up for a job in biosynthesizing meat!\r\nBreeding animals for food and meat need to be outlawed immediately - mainly for the animals\' sake -except for rare exceptions.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Sign me up for a job in biosynthesizing meat!
Breeding animals for food and meat need to be outlawed immediately – mainly for the animals’ sake -except for rare exceptions.
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]]> By: Ray http://www.greenbang.com/report-fight-climate-change-with-soy-burgers-in-vitro-meat_12300.html/comment-page-1#comment-10489 Ray Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:34:01 +0000 http://www.greenbang.com/?p=12300#comment-10489 Not to mention that the mass intake of soy based products has increased the rate of proteion poisoning cases significantly over the last few years<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('10489','Ray'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('10489','Ray','Not to mention that the mass intake of soy based products has increased the rate of proteion poisoning cases significantly over the last few years'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Not to mention that the mass intake of soy based products has increased the rate of proteion poisoning cases significantly over the last few years
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]]> By: wesley bruce http://www.greenbang.com/report-fight-climate-change-with-soy-burgers-in-vitro-meat_12300.html/comment-page-1#comment-10430 wesley bruce Thu, 12 Nov 2009 05:43:55 +0000 http://www.greenbang.com/?p=12300#comment-10430 Its complete garbage to talk about green house emissions from bovine (cattle) and other livestock without acknowledging that: A) the total number of animals in each family has not changed significantly since the Ice age. Domestic stock have displaced wild stock thats all. B) Desertification and agriculture may have reduced the total number of animals in grass land ecosystems. C) range fed animals produce as much methane and factory farmed animals. (its neither proven or even testable) D) unless the animals are directly eating oil there CO2 production is whole or substantially CO2 neutral. E) Termites are the major source of Methane in the southern hemisphere. (you not going to save the world by throwing gigatons of insecticides at termites are you?) Worldwatch and most arguing that live stock methane matters ignore these points. Did we or did we not almost wipe-out the American bison and the wild hears of Africa and the Sahel? I'm as opposed to feed lots as anyone but think things through a little, please.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('10430','wesley bruce'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('10430','wesley bruce','Its complete garbage to talk about green house emissions from bovine (cattle) and other livestock without acknowledging that: \r\nA) the total number of animals in each family has not changed significantly since the Ice age. Domestic stock have displaced wild stock thats all.\r\nB) Desertification and agriculture may have reduced the total number of animals in grass land ecosystems. \r\nC) range fed animals produce as much methane and factory farmed animals. (its neither proven or even testable)\r\nD) unless the animals are directly eating oil there CO2 production is whole or substantially CO2 neutral. \r\nE) Termites are the major source of Methane in the southern hemisphere. (you not going to save the world by throwing gigatons of insecticides at termites are you?)\r\n\r\nWorldwatch and most arguing that live stock methane matters ignore these points. Did we or did we not almost wipe-out the American bison and the wild hears of Africa and the Sahel? \r\nI\'m as opposed to feed lots as anyone but think things through a little, please.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Its complete garbage to talk about green house emissions from bovine (cattle) and other livestock without acknowledging that:
A) the total number of animals in each family has not changed significantly since the Ice age. Domestic stock have displaced wild stock thats all.
B) Desertification and agriculture may have reduced the total number of animals in grass land ecosystems.
C) range fed animals produce as much methane and factory farmed animals. (its neither proven or even testable)
D) unless the animals are directly eating oil there CO2 production is whole or substantially CO2 neutral.
E) Termites are the major source of Methane in the southern hemisphere. (you not going to save the world by throwing gigatons of insecticides at termites are you?)

Worldwatch and most arguing that live stock methane matters ignore these points. Did we or did we not almost wipe-out the American bison and the wild hears of Africa and the Sahel?
I’m as opposed to feed lots as anyone but think things through a little, please.

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]]> By: craig http://www.greenbang.com/report-fight-climate-change-with-soy-burgers-in-vitro-meat_12300.html/comment-page-1#comment-9629 craig Sat, 24 Oct 2009 17:31:39 +0000 http://www.greenbang.com/?p=12300#comment-9629 very informative. I wonder when someone will perform such a comprehensive study of the impact of rail service.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('9629','craig'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('9629','craig','very informative. I wonder when someone will perform such a comprehensive study of the impact of rail service.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> very informative. I wonder when someone will perform such a comprehensive study of the impact of rail service.
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]]> By: Bernard Brown http://www.greenbang.com/report-fight-climate-change-with-soy-burgers-in-vitro-meat_12300.html/comment-page-1#comment-9605 Bernard Brown Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:15:16 +0000 http://www.greenbang.com/?p=12300#comment-9605 It's a powerful report, but I think they go too far with pushing the fake meat, both because I'd expect lower emissions from less-processed foods (like a bean burrito vs. the tofu pups) and because I think the less-processed foods are already somewhat accepted - the lowly PB&J for example. Bernard Brown<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('9605','Bernard Brown'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('9605','Bernard Brown','It\'s a powerful report, but I think they go too far with pushing the fake meat, both because I\'d expect lower emissions from less-processed foods (like a bean burrito vs. the tofu pups) and because I think the less-processed foods are already somewhat accepted - the lowly PB&J for example. \r\n\r\nBernard Brown'); return false;">Quote</a></div> It’s a powerful report, but I think they go too far with pushing the fake meat, both because I’d expect lower emissions from less-processed foods (like a bean burrito vs. the tofu pups) and because I think the less-processed foods are already somewhat accepted – the lowly PB&J for example.

Bernard Brown

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]]> By: Richard Schwartz http://www.greenbang.com/report-fight-climate-change-with-soy-burgers-in-vitro-meat_12300.html/comment-page-1#comment-9583 Richard Schwartz Thu, 22 Oct 2009 21:37:23 +0000 http://www.greenbang.com/?p=12300#comment-9583 Kudos to Robert Goodland and Jeff Anhang for their extensive research and cogent writing. Their article has the potential of avoiding the unprecedented climate catastrophe that the world is rapidly approaching. It is essential that their article be widely read and heeded. It should be considered by governments, NGOs, the media and certainly by the delegates who will attend the Copenhagen climate conference in December. The choice for humanity seems clear: shift to healthy, environmentally sustainable, humane plant-based diets and provide a chance for the world to move to a sustainable path, or continue and expand present animal-based diets and the present path to a climate-disaster.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('9583','Richard Schwartz'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('9583','Richard Schwartz','Kudos to Robert Goodland and Jeff Anhang for their extensive research and cogent writing. Their article has the potential of avoiding the unprecedented climate catastrophe that the world is rapidly approaching. It is essential that their article be widely read and heeded. It should be considered by governments, NGOs, the media and certainly by the delegates who will attend the Copenhagen climate conference in December.\r\n\r\nThe choice for humanity seems clear: shift to healthy, environmentally sustainable, humane plant-based diets and provide a chance for the world to move to a sustainable path, or continue and expand present animal-based diets and the present path to a climate-disaster.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Kudos to Robert Goodland and Jeff Anhang for their extensive research and cogent writing. Their article has the potential of avoiding the unprecedented climate catastrophe that the world is rapidly approaching. It is essential that their article be widely read and heeded. It should be considered by governments, NGOs, the media and certainly by the delegates who will attend the Copenhagen climate conference in December.

The choice for humanity seems clear: shift to healthy, environmentally sustainable, humane plant-based diets and provide a chance for the world to move to a sustainable path, or continue and expand present animal-based diets and the present path to a climate-disaster.

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