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		<title>By: snowmaneasy</title>
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		<dc:creator>snowmaneasy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David barber&#8217;s statements are a little disconcerting in view of the Polar 5 survey results.â€¦. how does one transect (by Barber et al) tell us about the entire arctic seaâ€¦</p>
<p>Also what about the recent Polar-5 survey carried out by Alfred Wegener Institure and the University of Albertaâ€¦Ice transectâ€¦here are the detailsâ€¦flown using an EM unit as opposed to Prof Barber sticking his head out of the porthole..</p>
<p>â€œAnother focal point of the campaign were large-scale measurements of ice thickness in the inner Arctic, which were conducted in close collaboration of the Alfred Wegener Institute together with the University of Alberta. An ice-thickness sensor, the so-called EM-Bird, was put into operation under a plane for the first time ever. To conduct the measurements, Polar 5 dragged the sensor which was attached to a steel cable of eighty metres length in a height of twenty metres over the ice cover. Multiple flights northwards from various stations showed an ice thickness between 2.5 (two years old ice in the vicinity of the North Pole) and 4 metres (perennial ice in Canadian offshore regions). All in all, the ice was somewhat thicker than during the last years in the same regions, which leads to the conclusion that Arctic ice cover recovers temporarily. The researchers found the thickest ice with a thickness of 15 metres along the northern coast of Ellesmere Islandâ€¦â€¦
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('11074','snowmaneasy'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('11074','snowmaneasy','David barber\'s statements are a little disconcerting in view of the Polar 5 survey results.&acirc;€&brvbar;. how does one transect (by Barber et al) tell us about the entire arctic sea&acirc;€&brvbar;\r\n\r\nAlso what about the recent Polar-5 survey carried out by Alfred Wegener Institure and the University of Alberta&acirc;€&brvbar;Ice transect&acirc;€&brvbar;here are the details&acirc;€&brvbar;flown using an EM unit as opposed to Prof Barber sticking his head out of the porthole..\r\n\r\n&acirc;€œAnother focal point of the campaign were large-scale measurements of ice thickness in the inner Arctic, which were conducted in close collaboration of the Alfred Wegener Institute together with the University of Alberta. An ice-thickness sensor, the so-called EM-Bird, was put into operation under a plane for the first time ever. To conduct the measurements, Polar 5 dragged the sensor which was attached to a steel cable of eighty metres length in a height of twenty metres over the ice cover. Multiple flights northwards from various stations showed an ice thickness between 2.5 (two years old ice in the vicinity of the North Pole) and 4 metres (perennial ice in Canadian offshore regions). All in all, the ice was somewhat thicker than during the last years in the same regions, which leads to the conclusion that Arctic ice cover recovers temporarily. The researchers found the thickest ice with a thickness of 15 metres along the northern coast of Ellesmere Island&acirc;€&brvbar;&acirc;€&brvbar;'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Matthew Bergin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Bergin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 00:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So David Barber was surprised to find rotten ice in the Beaufort Sea during September. Why would he think that was strange. Since September is the end of the melt season in the arctic I would EXPECT to find punky ice at that time. It is amazing what lengths people will go to to avoid stating the the minimum ice area has recovered nearly one million square kilometers since 2007. Please quit wasting my tax money on this global warming crap&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;11045&#039;,&#039;Matthew Bergin&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;11045&#039;,&#039;Matthew Bergin&#039;,&#039;So David Barber was surprised to find rotten ice in the Beaufort Sea during September. Why would he think that was strange. Since September is the end of the melt season in the arctic I would EXPECT to find punky ice at that time. It is amazing what lengths people will go to to avoid stating the the minimum ice area has recovered nearly one million square kilometers since 2007. Please quit wasting my tax money on this global warming crap&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So David Barber was surprised to find rotten ice in the Beaufort Sea during September. Why would he think that was strange. Since September is the end of the melt season in the arctic I would EXPECT to find punky ice at that time. It is amazing what lengths people will go to to avoid stating the the minimum ice area has recovered nearly one million square kilometers since 2007. Please quit wasting my tax money on this global warming crap
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('11045','Matthew Bergin'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('11045','Matthew Bergin','So David Barber was surprised to find rotten ice in the Beaufort Sea during September. Why would he think that was strange. Since September is the end of the melt season in the arctic I would EXPECT to find punky ice at that time. It is amazing what lengths people will go to to avoid stating the the minimum ice area has recovered nearly one million square kilometers since 2007. Please quit wasting my tax money on this global warming crap'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Peter Thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Rotten&quot; sea ice.  Rotten is a techincal term, I presume?  How about some context.  The fact that AGW has been revealed by an insider as nothing more than a political scam to enrich governments and exert ever more control over our lives is Rotten.  I get it.  Thanks.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;11035&#039;,&#039;Peter Thompson&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;11035&#039;,&#039;Peter Thompson&#039;,&#039;\&quot;Rotten\&quot; sea ice.  Rotten is a techincal term, I presume?  How about some context.  The fact that AGW has been revealed by an insider as nothing more than a political scam to enrich governments and exert ever more control over our lives is Rotten.  I get it.  Thanks.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Rotten&#8221; sea ice.  Rotten is a techincal term, I presume?  How about some context.  The fact that AGW has been revealed by an insider as nothing more than a political scam to enrich governments and exert ever more control over our lives is Rotten.  I get it.  Thanks.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('11035','Peter Thompson'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('11035','Peter Thompson','\&quot;Rotten\&quot; sea ice.  Rotten is a techincal term, I presume?  How about some context.  The fact that AGW has been revealed by an insider as nothing more than a political scam to enrich governments and exert ever more control over our lives is Rotten.  I get it.  Thanks.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the satellite measured wrong this year, then it measured equally wrong last year and the year before, etc., so it doesn&#039;t make much difference.
The only impending climate catastrophe is a plunge into the next Ice Age and no one knows when that will happen, only that it is very likely to happen eventually.  We should all be very happy that we are in a warm period.  It isn&#039;t as warm as it was in Roman times or at the start of the Renaissance period but it isn&#039;t too bad.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;11034&#039;,&#039;Jeff&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;11034&#039;,&#039;Jeff&#039;,&#039;If the satellite measured wrong this year, then it measured equally wrong last year and the year before, etc., so it doesn\&#039;t make much difference.\r\nThe only impending climate catastrophe is a plunge into the next Ice Age and no one knows when that will happen, only that it is very likely to happen eventually.  We should all be very happy that we are in a warm period.  It isn\&#039;t as warm as it was in Roman times or at the start of the Renaissance period but it isn\&#039;t too bad.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the satellite measured wrong this year, then it measured equally wrong last year and the year before, etc., so it doesn&#8217;t make much difference.<br />
The only impending climate catastrophe is a plunge into the next Ice Age and no one knows when that will happen, only that it is very likely to happen eventually.  We should all be very happy that we are in a warm period.  It isn&#8217;t as warm as it was in Roman times or at the start of the Renaissance period but it isn&#8217;t too bad.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('11034','Jeff'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('11034','Jeff','If the satellite measured wrong this year, then it measured equally wrong last year and the year before, etc., so it doesn\'t make much difference.\r\nThe only impending climate catastrophe is a plunge into the next Ice Age and no one knows when that will happen, only that it is very likely to happen eventually.  We should all be very happy that we are in a warm period.  It isn\'t as warm as it was in Roman times or at the start of the Renaissance period but it isn\'t too bad.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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